Pr0di6y | 2014-11-13 23:45:50 |
I've been watching Goblinolog vs AgustinConde for 50 min. That's like 14 games approx. Goblinolog won only 2 games and surrended twice when he was winning. Agustin's EXP was lvl 24 exp 10058. Now he's lvl 25 exp 10521 after playing against Goblinolog, If i remember, the day before, Goblinolog was like lvl 26 or 28
IMO, i don't think that AgustinConde was power levelling on purpose. It's Goblinolog who did not want to win or was giving his alternate acc exp for free ! He played one game against vladimir101 and surrendered also. ( see 3rd image below )
I've screenshots when he surrended against agustinconde. In 1st image, you can see that Agustin did not have illusion 3 to win. So Goblinolog simply surrender to let him win the game. ( see 2nd image )
Another one (4th image)
Modified by Pr0di6y on 2014-11-14 00:27:44 CyberneticPony | 2014-11-14 00:56:15 |
Umm, in the first game (pictures 1 and 2), wasn't it a win for the other guy next turn because Illusion 3 was available? 2 Fire Elementals with 10 attack each would mean 20 damage for a kill? Hence the surrender? I mean, you didn't screenshot the opponent's cards. Picture 3 isn't necessarily a win either, especially if the other person had Faerie Sage; double demon is really threatening. Picture 4 also seems inconclusive. I think you'll need better evidence.
Modified by CyberneticPony on 2014-11-14 01:00:57 Cooler | 2014-11-14 08:58:00 |
Goblinolog account wasn't active for a long time, but has pretty good stat. Then it started losing almost all battles. This strange behavior may point on stolen account, so I've blocked it upon clarification and explanation.
Pr0di6y | 2014-11-14 09:25:20 |
Picture 1 - Goblinolog finishes his turn with +8 health ( Earth 2 ). So the previous turn was like 12 health for Goblinolog right ? Meaning that Goblinolog's high attack cards would be the two fire 10 with 7pts, and Goblin 7 with 8 pts. So if Agustin had illusion 3 like you said above, it would be ( 7 + 8 ) = 15 pts. Yet Agustin played water 7 instead. So why wait for 1 more turn to finish the game ?
Picture 2 - " you didn't screenshot the opponents's cards". If you're an experienced spectroplayer, you can guess Agustin's cards. Let's guess that he had cards to kill the game - illusion 3, air 6 and earth 6. Only illusion 3 would have saved him. But he did not play it in his previous turn.
Picture 3 - " especially if the other person had Faerie Sage;" You get a point. But it was Goblinolog's turn. Period Anyway, i saw cooler's post and temporary blocked gob's account. Closed Topic !
I'm a bit disappointed with your post CyberneticPony and when you said " I think you'll need better evidence". I'm an old spectroplayer ( 5 years playing if i'm correct) although zero reputation ,because i rarely post on forum. Why would i lose my time posting this if my evidence was not good enough ? ( 50 mins observing their duels and 30 mins sign up to imagehosting web, screenshot, cropping, writing 100 + words ) And yet you got + 4 in your post ! Is this forum biased ? Are you trolling ? Trusting a newbie ( according to your stats / or an alternate account ) I don't get it By the way, i had a chat with FORESTRY in-game and he told me to post it here.
I had an ingame chat with Goblinolog also. I must say, he's a nice guy and also admit that he did this because he was bored.
Personally, i don't think a ban for life is necessary :P All i can say is that it's not correct. full stop. ( Sorry for writing a lot. It's my 4th post in forum in 5 years )
Modified by Pr0di6y on 2014-11-14 14:45:37 LaoTse | 2014-11-14 12:31:43 |
Goblinolog account wasn't active for a long time, but has pretty good stat. Then it started losing almost all battles. This strange behavior may point on stolen account, so I've blocked it upon clarification and explanation.
Stolen? LOL!
Piticu has given all his 4 accounts for free here in Forum pretty exactly when the latest expansion came out. He was very angry that you had putted a so hard curse on him, so that he lost each game after some moves, but never mentioned that and told other reasons, that the game has become shitty and so on. His main-account Piticu was really down to 1 due to that. I played all accounts from low-level then to 20 or 21. Goblinolog was higher, his only remaining high-level account. I guess, that he cheated with this account, and you cursed him for that. Really sadistic to let him lose each game after some moves before he can win it!
Then he gave all 4 accounts here in Forum together with the password "DianaDiana". So I changed the password for all except Piticu (Much later I did it also for this.) since it was complete down lol. Then I deleted the post by just writing ^delete^ in it, and Wave deleted it.
He came never back to the game, so frustrated he was.
Now my question: The accounts are mine since long time, I played them high, so I can also play them down. Why is this forbidden to surrender and play the account down? In Chess and Checkers for example are such variants as "Loosing Checkers", so why here I can´t have some fun too? Even nature has these: Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter... In Winter things have to die to be able to reborn... I gave to all a bit, just Forestry was a bit too greedy that night lol. And players which surrender, I must blacklist of course since they are complete idiots...
With the blocking of the accounts it´s faster but not so funny. I would have prefered to play them down, because I added a friend "CyberneticPony" who has a huge talent as a politician "No evidence" . Actually 2 friends since Prodigy and I have also become friends. When I win this never happens! Prodigy is a really good inspector, he should do something like that in real life and not waste his talent here for nothing. I wish him all the best for that!
Well, we had some fun again, good old Lao and you kids, as in good old times. See you around...
Pr0di6y | 2014-11-14 14:33:37 |
not waste his talent here for nothing. Ohh it was you Lao ? Modified by Pr0di6y on 2014-11-14 14:50:27 Cooler | 2014-11-14 14:50:10 |
Why is this forbidden to surrender and play the account down?
Why it's forbidden to call opponents "moron" when they lose? Why can't you have some fun? Because it's not fun for others. So, I'll repeat: when you're playing a rated duel - you're expected to play in full strength, otherwise play trainings. CyberneticPony | 2014-11-14 19:14:58 |
Pr0di6y, you posted pictures with a lot of missing information, because the victory screen blocked things like mana totals. I simply stated you could be mistaken based on what you had shown to others. Cooler is able to get more information than I could from those 4 pictures (although I was mistaken about picture 3 because I thought it was vladimir's turn and not Goblinolog's). Glad that this was resolved.
Pr0di6y | 2014-11-14 21:19:44 |
(although I was mistaken about picture 3 because I thought it was vladimir's turn and not Goblinolog's). Glad that this was resolved. I'm still wondering how you got a +4 in your 1st post
tosher | 2014-11-14 22:07:54 |
Before Lao was a fighter for justice, he looked for people who are trying to enter the experience of the arena, complained about dishonesty... then he said goodbye to the forum and left. Returned and began to arrange rating matches with known results. The second case CAUGHT for a couple of days. I think Cooler, you need to carefully check his last activity on ip and code of the game, I'm afraid there are still episodes and possible relapse. Play honestly. I am for fair play!
LaoTse | 2014-11-15 15:12:40 |
Before Lao was a fighter for justice
Oh lol!
Really??
Btw, I don´t even know what the word means lol. Can you please help me and explain these word "justice"`?
dimurelka | 2014-11-15 21:27:59 |
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Hello, my friend. How long, how long... Where have you been all this time? 8) LaoTse | 2014-11-16 01:00:41 |
On places you better should not know about. On a long journey...
I see, you are reborn too lol. You never told me what was really going on in those days, but it doesn´t matter anymore, the past is the past now.
I suddenly feel so old (much older than the very young Lao of 2618 years), do you get this feeling too speaking with me now again?
Times change, but some things never change...you call me still "friend". So I was right with you from the first moment when we met in Prospectro...true friends never forget!
I wish you all the best my friend, for all what might come!
Wavelength | 2014-11-20 23:14:34 |
Then he gave all 4 accounts here in Forum together with the password "DianaDiana". So I changed the password for all except Piticu (Much later I did it also for this.) since it was complete down lol. Then I deleted the post by just writing ^delete^ in it, and Wave deleted it. I don't appreciate knowing that I was manipulated like that. Well, at least you're coming clean about everything, which is good. But I feel the whole situation is not a good thing. It's creating problems for the game and for Cooler, and a lot of unnecessary drama. Now my question: The accounts are mine since long time, I played them high, so I can also play them down. Why is this forbidden to surrender and play the account down? In Chess and Checkers for example are such variants as "Loosing Checkers", so why here I can´t have some fun too? You're totally allowed to play the way you want (you own the game after all) but you can't do it in rated duels. This messes up the Ranks, which a lot of people care about. People who throw games in official, rated Chess or Checkers leagues (as well as the people who knowingly take the free wins) get penalized or thrown out of the league. People who play a non-rated, "for fun" game of "losing checkers" get to have a good time. I think that's a good standard for our game, too. I do understand your argument of "I earned these EXP points, why can't I do what I want with them?" It's a fair argument. But it creates an unfair play environment for everyone else, so it is really in the best interest of the game and the community to not allow it. I hope you understand! LaoTse | 2014-11-21 03:11:32 |
Sure I understand you Wave, but I do not agree at all. I use always Autosearch, and I always blacklist surrenderers. So you have to be active and also patient, only then you get the award. I avoid to play with 30+ to not "mess up" the ranks, but it happened 1 game against Ersh (level 30, Michelin-Avatar) that he got a win for a loss, and, as we all know now, some more games with Forestry... I like him somehow, don´t ask me why. so if he proposes me a duel I always take it. Under 30 you can´t mean this serious Wave lol...who the hell cares for the position in your so called "Ranks" of a level 25 lol?! Of course nobody! Playing with you as 3 of these former "Alts" I was first impressed...Goblinolog you wanted even to give back 2 games lol, which is of course technicall correct. But now I see that you are just stubborn and not Holy as I thought first lol. I don´t like stubborn at all, since such people always cause a lot problems... The Tao is like water and not like a stone lol! tosher | 2014-11-21 12:57:02 |
I use always Autosearch,
LOL you hypocrite I don't really understand why the posts of this person appreciate, he came just to have fun, deliberately breaking the rules of the game! Modified by tosher on 2014-11-21 13:28:18 LaoTse | 2014-11-21 14:05:25 |
Please keep some manners, or I will counter and call you a "retard".
Please show me these rules!!!
And btw, I was already here when your small mind was not even born...
LaoTse | 2014-11-21 15:01:24 |
The fact is, there is no such rule, it is not forbidden to level down!
And nothing is more far from power-leveling, since no player gets it (as I said always Autosearch).
You are all quite dumb attacking me while a real power-leveling is happening the whole month already...KingInTheNorth ALWAYS plays just with MissRandom, and her/his moves make not much sense for a level 18 lol...can´t see their cards, but King always rushes and she plays idiotic moves like Titan and Hydra to counter that lol...
That is definitely power-leveling, but what I do not at all!
tosher | 2014-11-21 15:21:29 |
Why you instead of having to answer for their actions, say - but he does so?
I'm talking only about the facts - you deliberately violate the rules of the game!
LaoTse | 2014-11-21 15:53:22 |
If so, show me these rule LOL...
You are like a little child...
StephanieF | 2014-11-21 16:30:15 |
You have sure the strength of a thousand men Lao, but you see now that without the help of justice you are lost...
This topic has become very silly and childish, so I will delete it tomorrow after drawing the important stuff to a new topic.
In fact Lao has not violated any rules. He can do with his points whatever he wants as long as it is not power-leveling!
tosher | 2014-11-21 16:58:28 |
Thank you, StephanieF I also noticed a dishonest cheat reputation. Now the topic can be closed, thanks again)
Modified by tosher on 2014-11-21 17:11:48 Sinist | 2014-11-21 17:50:58 |
Oh my, not another RussianBaby holywar...
Wavelength | 2014-11-21 21:28:11 |
Of course nobody! Playing with you as 3 of these former "Alts" I was first impressed...Goblinolog you wanted even to give back 2 games lol, which is of course technicall correct. But now I see that you are just stubborn and not Holy as I thought first lol. I don�t like stubborn at all, since such people always cause a lot problems... The Tao is like water and not like a stone lol! You are right, my friend, I am stubborn. If I have a belief, I will stick to it hard (unless someone shows me strong enough evidence that my belief needs to be changed), and I will act accordingly. I have a belief that I shouldn't take things that I didn't earn, which is why I was trying to give those games back once I sensed that you were trying to feed me. And again you are correct - it's more about me knowing that I am being true to myself, than about me being some kind of great saint. It's a part of who I am, so... take me for who I am, or don't. Under 30 you can�t mean this serious Wave lol...who the hell cares for the position in your so called "Ranks" of a level 25 lol?! Of course nobody! Think about this again and you'll realize it's just completely incorrect. Lots of people care about their rank! Heck, even I do a little, as much as I like to say I'm in it purely for the love of the game. And you obviously recognize that, because otherwise you wouldn't be doing something nice by intentionally giving away EXP. If you were sure Lv 25 Forestry didn't care about his rank, why would you give him EXP instead of just play the game out? The fact is, there is no such rule, it is not forbidden to level down!
In theory you are correct. However, there shouldn't even need to be such a rule. It's clearly an abuse of the system and against what is good for the game and the community. Here's a good analogy: do you remember the Badminton scandal last Olympics, where a few teams found themselves in a position where (due to the way the seeding happened) they would actually have an easier playoffs match if they lost their final round-robin match? Well, they were clearly trying to throw the game, even though they did play it out. As a result, four teams were disqualified from the Olympics for "not playing to win", even though (as far as I'm aware) there's no rule in Badminton that says "you have to try to win". It was against the spirit of competition. Of course, if these players had just been messing around in a for-fun match, it would have been fine. But to intentionally throw games when there was something on the line is seen as innately wrong by most, and the Olympic Committee didn't need to have a rule to point to in order to throw them out. Here's a link if you're unfamiliar with it: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a64_1343860929Additionally, Cooler, who runs the game, has now clearly stated that if you are playing a Ranked Duel, you are expected to try to win. So there's the rule, going forward. Let's please not be "drama llamas" about this. If the community and the staff both recognize that X is best for the game, then X probably is best for the game. Modified by Wavelength on 2014-11-21 21:37:30 StephanieF | 2014-11-22 03:08:01 |
Thank you, StephanieF I also noticed a dishonest cheat reputation. Now the topic can be closed, thanks again)
It will be deleted of course!
Lao doesn't care for reputation, but even though the topic is very funny for us, it is very confusing for newbies and a very bad advert due to this. Not even experienced players like Sinist seem to get it. I can't let all this simply go. Lao always had haters, but this shit here (cheat reputation) from whomever (sure not from you Tosher) and all this hate and propaganda against Lao can not simply stay.
The topic will be deleted today, since it's anyway just hot air of nothing. Lao wanted to play down his "Alts" or get rid of them through Cooler, and he did this, and since there is no rule which forbids this, all is fine now!
Topic is not closed, so please write fast all further shit in your minds before I delete it at evening. Modified by StephanieF on 2014-11-22 03:09:24 Cooler | 2014-11-22 06:23:07 |
No need to delete it. It is about real things happening in the game.
Modified by Cooler on 2014-11-22 06:23:31 JoeChen | 2014-11-22 07:15:57 |
But let' say you are a newbie coming from Heathstone to here, and the first you see is this topic lol...Would you leave at once and return to HS or would you read a minute and return then to HS?
At least you should fix the very offensive cheat-reputation (looks really terrible!). Lao is at least right that there is no such rule (written anywhere) which forbids to give here and there exp for free. And he said, he always used Autosearch...but even in Forestry's case it would balance after a while. In the other cases it balances at once of course.
I accept you ass my boss, and I am proud to serve you, but please stay objective and fair!
Wavelength | 2014-11-22 08:23:22 |
Don't delete this - it's useful community chat, and I can't imagine it would drive any new players away.
If you guys really feel like Lao is getting an unfair reputation from this topic, I can scrub the names out of posts. But I really don't think that's necessary. Lao has admitted to his actions and is defending them, some agree and many disagree, and we're discussing it.
LaoTse | 2014-11-22 08:52:52 |
Thank you my Queen (kneel down), but you should not stand straight for me!
Your life is very worthful, my life not at all!
Let me be their dying Phrophet, I always wanted to be that, greater than Jesus...,let me carry my cross, np at all!
AgustinConde | 2014-11-22 18:48:18 |
Hi! I am involved in this story so i will joint to the party :-) I never wrote before in forum, so first i must say is that Spec is a fucking good game :-) and here my respect and congratulations Spectromancer developers and comunity. I have it in pc and ipad version ( ipad air2 some problems losing connection ). I hope you go on with Android Version. Some people enjoy a lot personal level stats progress, and i dont want cause any disturb. I always avalaible, playing there against all people, so people wanting to level up can take that points easily winning me :-) Since me was who took that points, and I continuosly invited Lao to play with me, I am the guilty one here and not Lao, who in a weird way tryied to be kind with me, even taking here the blame :-) So any action should be taken against me, cause here I am the bad guy!
Pr0di6y | 2014-11-22 20:48:26 |
So any action should be taken against me, cause here I am the bad guy!
Nah, you can keep your EXPs. Apparently my post is funny for them and it's no big deal because you're only a lvl 20 player unless you're KingInTheNorth
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