| Cavernlight | 2010-04-22 23:09:03 |
Hello.
I periodically (like today) encounter people who are RUDE and use foul language.
Someone challenged me and I rejected the challenge because I didn't want to play against yet another user playing illusion.
so the person, borovnjak is their user name, sends me a message that said
play you motherf.....er
Unfortunately, this is about the 3rd time this month that something like this has happened.
Can freeloaders, with foul mouths be banned?
Can you set up a place to report them?
It's sad to have them spoil the experiense of playing this (my favorite) game.
Thank you!
| Kaylee | 2010-04-23 01:00:54 |
You can blacklist certain players. I think this prevents them from
messaging you or proposing duels.
| Lasaniku | 2010-04-23 01:16:47 |
Last time I tried (~2 months ago) it didn't block the messages, only duels. At least you can still see what they say in the lobby. Is it fixed now?
| MystiqueII | 2010-05-17 15:17:16 |
I'd say, make a Screenshot of foul Language in every Case, so you have a Proof. Additionaly, it would be nice indeed, if such Players could not only be Blacklisted, but also reported, and get banned from Multiplayer after three proven Reports permamently, or for every proven Report for (total number of proven Reports) Weeks or so... Modified by MystiqueII on 2010-05-17 19:31:36 | Krugopryad | 2010-05-17 18:07:04 |
I'd say, make a Screenshot of foul Language in every Case, so you have a Proof.
Additionaly, it would be nice indeed, if such Players could not only be Blacklisted, but also reported, and get banned from Multiplayer after three proven Reports permamently, or for every proven Report for 1 (+total number of proven Reports) Weeks or so...
Is it really necessary? I don't see the problem - just ignore such players and don't look at their messages...
| Floofy | 2010-05-17 18:16:19 |
Instead of banning them from multiplayer, why not just "chat ban" them...
Anyways i'm with Krugopryad, i think its easy to just ignore them
| panderson | 2010-05-22 20:09:17 |
Why? Talk them back: it's fun. As far as you know they could live in another continent.
| HeadphonesGirl | 2010-05-23 00:13:48 |
Just blacklist them. Takes a couple seconds and you won't have to worry about it.
This is just a fact of life on the internet.. you will encounter these people. Best off ignoring them. one time i played like 1 hour duel against some guy , and when it was clear that i will lose, i writed gg nice match, but opponent started swearing at me like crazy, when he was silent all match before, Â these guys , also ones Cavernlight mentioned, just amuse me, dont take it serious , its just a game :)
| Wavelength | 2010-05-31 16:38:47 |
Why? Talk them back: it's fun. As far as you know they could live in another continent. This. If someone acts like an ass, just take the opportunity to push THEIR buttons.
| Yaksha | 2010-06-01 09:18:03 |
one time i played like 1 hour duel against some guy , and when it was clear that i will lose, i writed gg nice match, but opponent started swearing at me like crazy, when he was silent all match before, these guys , also ones Cavernlight mentioned, just amuse me, dont take it serious , its just a game :) I don't get Did you surrender or sth? But the guy would have gotten the same xp?
he have like armageddon and can kill me in 1 turn and starts writing, H@H@H@H@ u NOOB and stuff ! Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â o_O
| HeadphonesGirl | 2010-06-02 01:54:39 |
he have like armageddon and can kill me in 1 turn and starts writing, H@H@H@H@ u NOOB and stuff ! o_O
The best is when someone starts this because they think they can kill you the next turn, and then you kill them instead. | PiesKakStront | 2010-07-26 20:28:54 |
I had the same with a player named "hardgame" (he even gave to give racist remarks like "nigger", "filthy jew",...). The only thing you can do is blacklist them... Well, at least it's something we can do. let's hope the makers of the game keep some statistics... | Wavelength | 2010-07-26 21:51:53 |
When people make a snide comment before winning after being silent all game (this is rare; most people on Spectro are fairly classy), I'll just snipe right back at them. If they play me again, I'll make sure to make a smart little remark before I win the next game. If they don't play me again, I annoy them as much as I can in the lobby.
By the way, for everyone who's paying attention to this thread, if you're about to win a close game and can win by skipping your turn, don't puss out and use Rejuvenation or something like that. That shows that you have no class. The reason I didn't surrender in the first place was to let you have a little fun with your final turn. Use some big attack, or drop mass destruction, or play Bargul or something... or just skip your turn, that's a classy way to end it too. Don't pretend you won by 21HP when you really won by 3.
Finally, for people who make prejudiced remarks (as described in the above comment), take a screenshot and let the Spectromancer team know. There's a difference between annoying and abusive, and people who fall into the latter category can be banned like they deserve to be.
| wiggin | 2010-07-27 01:21:40 |
Why didn't they win by 23 HP though?
For me personally, I just want people to resign, so I can get to the next game. | Floofy | 2010-07-27 04:54:52 |
Anyways imo, the majority of people who do this are young people who are not yet mature. It seems kinda childish to me to go down to their level and reply back. I usually just smile and ignore it.
But the other day, i was helping my girlfriend play and some guy started insulting her massively because he lost the game. It was funny how she absolutly needed to reply back to him :P
Btw, wave, i don't think you should take it personal when somebody use rejuvenation as the final move. I have never even thought it could possibly be bad manner to do so. When i know i've won for sure and that my play doesn't matter i usually just press a random button.... Modified by Floofy on 2010-07-27 04:56:24 I personally like meditating if I can win just through attacking myself, but yeah, I'll typically just press any card.
The only person I've played who really got on my nerves was this person who was just spamming "kmon" multiple times a second, I guess because I was playing half a second too slow. I tried to explain to him that he was actually causing the game to lag, making me play -slower- but that didn't seem too matter.
Went straight on the blacklist just for being that obnoxious...
Most people are just silent the whole game, or I may get a "gg" occasionally. I tend to be just as silent as my opponent, unless their avatar is awesome enough to be worth commenting on. I guess I do also get the occasional complaint about how powerful Basilisk is when I use it well. | Wavelength | 2010-07-27 14:40:56 |
Why didn't they win by 23 HP though?
For me personally, I just want people to resign, so I can get to the next game. They didn't win by 23HP for the same reason that if I have the opportunity to win a game with 8 life remaining, and decide not to finish my opponent and just keep spamming Faerie Sage, Rejuvenation, and Divine Intervention while keeping my opponent barely alive, I didn't actually win 600-0, I won 8-0. The game is over the moment your opponent can't stay alive another turn no matter what they do. Anything you do past that point (unless you utterly botch it) is irrelevant to the true result of the game. I understand the "surrender and let's move on" mentality; sometimes that's the classiest way to lose, but other times it feels like my opponent is robbing me of the opportunity to truly win (especially if they surrender before the writing is entirely on the wall). Anyways imo, the majority of people who do this are young people who are not yet mature. It seems kinda childish to me to go down to their level and reply back. I usually just smile and ignore it. But the other day, i was helping my girlfriend play and some guy started insulting her massively because he lost the game. It was funny how she absolutly needed to reply back to him :P Btw, wave, i don't think you should take it personal when somebody use rejuvenation as the final move. I have never even thought it could possibly be bad manner to do so. When i know i've won for sure and that my play doesn't matter i usually just press a random button....
I personally like meditating if I can win just through attacking myself, but yeah, I'll typically just press any card.
The only person I've played who really got on my nerves was this person who was just spamming "kmon" multiple times a second, I guess because I was playing half a second too slow. I tried to explain to him that he was actually causing the game to lag, making me play -slower- but that didn't seem too matter.
Went straight on the blacklist just for being that obnoxious...
Most people are just silent the whole game, or I may get a "gg" occasionally. I tend to be just as silent as my opponent, unless their avatar is awesome enough to be worth commenting on. I guess I do also get the occasional complaint about how powerful Basilisk is when I use it well.
You guys are way more patient than I am!
I don't believe for a second that the card you decide to hit is truly
random (otherwise you might accidentally Stone Rain the place sky high
before your creatures could attack!), but I see what you're saying. To
me, the way you win or lose says something about the person you are.
Maybe I should pay less attention to the card the person selects,
though ^_^
It's not like that's a berserk button for me, anyway. If I've been
having a friendly chat with someone the whole game, I'm not going to
care how they finish it. Even a simple "gg" is enough to show that
there's no ill will behind what you're doing. But when someone is
silent the whole time and uses healing or some other unnecessary and
ridiculous move every time they're about to win, that just makes me want
to respond in kind and pound them to dust the next game. I'll still say "gg" and play them again, but it won't be with the same good will.
What IS a berserk button for me is if they keep saying "gogo" every
time I take 15 seconds to try to assess the board position, I do a lot
more than blacklist them. I make sure to take 55+ seconds every turn,
making ridiculous excuses like "I've got to wash my llama." or "BRB.
Picking my friend up at the airport." Every turn. Then I surrender
right before they're about to win (or drag it out as much as possible
if I'm about to win).
Vindictive of me? Absolutely. Maybe people should consider that before acting rude. | MystiqueII | 2010-07-27 15:10:23 |
What IS a berserk button for me is if they keep saying "gogo" everytime I take 15 seconds to try to assess the board position
Same for me. I cant stand Pressuring when i need my Time to overview the Board Situation. That really is impatient Behavior in my Eyes... In such a Case, if i have a good Day, i play highliest concentrated to hopefully beat my Opponent and then blacklist him/her, and if i have a bad Day, i instantly surrender and blacklist... Modified by MystiqueII on 2010-07-27 15:32:01 | Floofy | 2010-07-27 16:33:27 |
...
I don't believe for a second that the card you decide to hit is trulyrandom (otherwise you might accidentally Stone Rain the place sky highbefore your creatures could attack!), but I see what you're saying.
Well ok, it might not always be completly random. Sometimes ill just do the spell that does the most damage just in case i calculated wrong.... but i could also do an healing spell just in case i get hurted in some ways...
Oh and i agree people who try to hurry you up can be annoying.... But i'm certainly not going to waste my own time to teach them a lesson for free. Again i just ignore them lol Modified by Floofy on 2010-07-27 16:42:04 | wiggin | 2010-07-27 21:52:19 |
They didn't win by 23HP for the same reason that if I have the opportunity to win a game with 8 life remaining, and decide not to finish my opponent and just keep spamming Faerie Sage, Rejuvenation, and Divine Intervention while keeping my opponent barely alive, I didn't actually win 600-0, I won 8-0.
I dunno. Lets say your creatures can deal 5 damage to your opponent. Also you have a lightning bolt, which can deal 15 damage. So now if your opponent is on 5 life, and you are on 10, you would "win 10 to 0", but not more since you are not allowed to play lightning bolt. but now if he is on 6, you have to play lightning bolt, so you "win 10 to -4." So you win larger when your opponent has more life. Doesn't make sense. And if you should be able to deal extra damage, you should also be able to heal.
Anyway, we don't play for the life total. But some games are more close than others. You can win where the opponent would've killed you the next turn. Or in two turns. Or more. Maybe if the player doesn't heal, you would think that would've killed him the next turn, so the game was really close, when actually it wasn't. So he shows that the victory was less random and more secure. Seems fair enough.
| Plynx103 | 2010-07-28 03:55:16 |
Maybe if the player doesn't heal, you would think that would've killed him the next turn, so the game was really close, when actually it wasn't. So he shows that the victory was less random and more secure. Seems fair enough.
+1
By the way, for everyone who's paying attention to this thread, if you're about to win a close game and can win by skipping your turn, don't puss out and use Rejuvenation or something like that. That shows that you have no class. The reason I didn't surrender in the first place was to let you have a little fun with your final turn. Use some big attack, or drop mass destruction, or play Bargul or something... or just skip your turn, that's a classy way to end it too. Don't pretend you won by 21HP when you really won by 3.
For me, this is just like chess:
When I play my turn, I can play any move the rules allow me to.
You get no say in it.
And no, I most surely will not start to memorize a huge list of what different opponents consider to be "classy" or not and will "allow" me to play in different situations.
This is just a case where you are looking for a reason to artificially blame your opponent for something because you feel some kind of anger or frustration from losing that game.
| Wavelength | 2010-07-28 15:39:54 |
... For me, this is just like chess: When I play my turn, I can play any move the rules allow me to. You get no say in it.
Alright, so should I keep that in mind next time we play, and taunt you as I'm about to win by keeping you alive with no hope of winning for as long as possible? Don't surrender as I do this--that would be "you getting a say in it". My point here is not that I'm going to be an ass to you next time we play, but rather that there's some level of "legal move" you can make that truly is bad faith. I'm not asking anyone to make sub-optimal moves, ever. Just don't act like an ass. And no, I most surely will not start to memorize a huge list of what different opponents consider to be "classy" or not and will "allow" me to play in different situations. This is just a case where you are looking for a reason to artificially blame your opponent for something because you feel some kind of anger or frustration from losing that game. Oh please. Just BE classy. You don't need to memorize anything. And don't go accusing me of things for which you have no basis of knowing. I'm fine with losing, in general. I've lost more games than all but a precious few other players. No anger, no frustration, sometimes a few laughs or a bit of learning. I never said anything that suggested otherwise. I simply don't like it when people "rub it in", either by their words or by their plays. I'm the kind of guy who respects a good opponent, win or lose, and I'll show them that respect rather than staying silent and making "any legal move, you don't get a say". This forum is for thoughtful analysis about Spectromancer. It is NOT for your poor psychoanalysis about me. Thanks. yeah but I don't think anyone else but you thinks that healing the turn before you win means anything. Its a little weird to me that healing as your win is considered bad form. I can't actually understand it. Does anyone else feel this way?
| garcia1000 | 2010-07-29 06:49:43 |
My opponent can do whatever he wants (resign, heal, natural fury with no creatures on board) except for stalling
...
Alright, so should I keep that in mind next time we play, and taunt you as I'm about to win by keeping you alive with no hope of winning for as long as possible?
Don't surrender as I do this--that would be "you getting a say in it".
Once again, I can do anything the rules allow, including surrendering. You get no say in that.
My point here is not that I'm going to be an ass to you next time we play, but rather that there's some level of "legal move" you can make that truly is bad faith.
I'm not asking anyone to make sub-optimal moves, ever. Just don't act like an ass.
I am not trying to act like an ass. I am just telling you that it is not you getting to define what I can or cannot do. You use derogatory words describing someone who does not play his turn like you want. You call them "not classy" and in the quote above even suggest they might "act like an ass".
However, this is a game with rules, and it simply isnt your place to tell others how they can play a winning move, and how they cannot.
...
Oh please. Just BE classy. You don't need to memorize anything.
And don't go accusing me of things for which you have no basis of knowing. I'm fine with losing, in general. I've lost more games than all but a precious few other players. No anger, no frustration, sometimes a few laughs or a bit of learning. I never said anything that suggested otherwise.
Actually I wasnt so much accusing you as trying to make you see something I thought you missed. Fair enough though, I wont accuse you of it anymore if you say its untrue.
I simply don't like it when people "rub it in", either by their words or by their plays. I'm the kind of guy who respects a good opponent, win or lose, and I'll show them that respect rather than staying silent and making "any legal move, you don't get a say".
This forum is for thoughtful analysis about Spectromancer. It is NOT for your poor psychoanalysis about me.
Maybe you should use it for thoughtful analysis about spectromancer then instead of telling others what they can and cannot do.
Thanks.
| Wavelength | 2010-07-29 15:16:35 |
I am not trying to act like an ass. I am just telling you that it is not you getting to define what I can or cannot do. You use derogatory words describing someone who does not play his turn like you want. You call them "not classy" and in the quote above even suggest they might "act like an ass".
However, this is a game with rules, and it simply isnt your place to tell others how they can play a winning move, and how they cannot.
Let's compare this to different games. In Monopoly, there's no rule which says you can't trade your property to another player for $1 when you're about to lose the game anyway. In Basketball, there's no rule that says you can't constantly flop when you haven't really been fouled. In Gridiron Football, there's no rule that says you can't whack the quarterback when he's clearly out of the play (unless he's prone from having just thrown the ball). In no game or sport is there a rule that says you can't run up the score. All of those are "according to the rules", but they're all considered bad form, and they all come with consequences. Do this in Monopoly and your friends will stop playing with you. In Basketball, you'll draw referee ill will; in Football, you'll be hit with a fine or suspension. Running up the score will put a target on your back in the future, and one girl's basketball coach even got fired simply for running up the score on another team. I'm not dictating etiquette as if it's a hard and fast rule, but you're wrong if you think anything you do is peachy as long as it doesn't break a rule. So far in this thread, stalling and saying "gogo" all the time have been identified as widely hated actions. You *can* do this, but expect a reaction anywhere from being ignored to vindictive retribution. Maybe you should use it for thoughtful analysis about spectromancer then instead of telling others what they can and cannot do.
I *am* using it for thoughtful analysis about Spectromancer, just like I've done on every other thread on this board. What I really like about this thread, actually, is that it's addressing something no one's ever really talked about - what's good form and what's not as you play this game with others. That's worth talking about as much as any strategy or change suggestions. I'm not saying I'm necessarily right about "winning moves"; as Fail noted above, I might be the only person here who takes offense to healing on your last turn. I didn't realize most people are actually cool with it. That's something I'd never know unless we had this discussion. (Actually, I'm curious, does anyone at all agree with me that using a big heal on your last turn, as you win, can be construed as "rubbing it in"?) As I said before, "it's not in the rules, so don't whine" doesn't hold any water as an argument; "no one else seems to think it's wrong", on the other hand, is a very strong one. | SkipFirstTurn | 2010-07-29 16:37:34 |
The only thing which might be "rubbing it in" is what my friend sometimes does.... he delays his victory by playing bad on purpose, just toying with his opponement lol
However, if he does this wrong he can actually end up loosing the game, so people usually dont mind so much :P
| pdxtai | 2010-07-29 21:29:24 |
Healing as the final move never bothered me. I've lost games because I was at <10 life and thought I would close my opponent out on my turn but forgot about ice guard or elephant or some other thing and ended up losing. If I had healed instead of passing I might have won.
To me a loss is a loss. I've lost games where my opponent was down to < 10 life but I felt like I never had a chance. We were both rushing and he was going to win and there wasn't much I could do to stop it. I've also had games where my opponent had >40 life left at the end, but I felt were very close. One more mana or life on my part and I think I would have been able to get the win. To me, the only amount of life that matters is greater than or less than/equal to zero at the end of the game.
There are certain things that are poor etiquette such as spamming the chat or prolonging a game you can win. There's a black list for a reason. If someone drives you nuts repeatedly, use it. | 
