jpeek345 | 2014-07-21 01:58:21 |
Hello,
Why does the Time spell Hasten compromise the Ice Golem while the Basilisk does not?
The Ice Golem reads, "Ice Golem receives NO damage from spells and abilities.
Just what then is a spell to Spectromancer?
-bramsaddition
Read what Hasten says. It makes a creature "Hydra" for one turn. Hydra don't spare golems. As simple as that. RedRook | 2014-07-21 02:51:37 |
This is one of those things that gets brought up every now & again here in the forum. It's really a matter of wording. Yes, Hasten is a spell, but it does not "deal damage" like other spells. Essentially the way Hasten works is one of your creatures makes an extra attack. So really it is the creature dealing damage & not the spell, thus the Ice Golem recieves damage. Basilisk will never deal damage to a Golem with it's abilities, either on it's own or with Gaze, since both are abilities & Golems are not affected by abilities. (By the way, all the Beastmaster creatures' special abilities are not considered spells, they are classified as abilities & unaffected by cards like Goblin Shaman.) DK put it pretty well with his "Hydra" analogy. Wavelength | 2014-07-21 08:29:13 |
Hasten is a very strange card.
* Because it's a spell, it's affected by spell cost modifiers such as Timeweaver.
* Because the spell's effect is to make a creature immediately attack, rather than dealing damage to the opponent or creatures itself, it is not affected by spell damage modifiers such as Dragon, and can pass through Ice Golem's ability.
* Yet, Hasten completely ignores "attack stoppers". I believe that a stunned creature (e.g. one affected by Portal Jumper's ability) can still be an effective target for Hasten, as can a creature that's sitting across from Mindstealer.
When I'm not sure whether Hasten is going to work or not in a situation, I think of it like this: "The Spectromancer himself attacks the opponent and all opponent's creatures, using the same attack value as the chosen friendly creature." Offhand I think this covers all of the current idiosyncracies of the card in a logical way.
FORESTRY | 2014-07-21 11:15:37 |
creature flies thru the board and scratchew everything... works on stunned creature, idk about mindstealer though, think it does
jpeek345 | 2014-07-24 01:24:57 |
The card game is simply a programmed math board.
Idiosyncrasies it has. Logic it has.
While I appreciate the rationale or rationa-lizing here, Ice Golem- and its card description- was not compromised directly under the card Hasten and was therefore affected by a SPELL.
That is logical.
Eurydice | 2014-07-24 01:55:58 |
Ice Golem- and its card description- was not compromised directly under the card Hasten and was therefore affected by a SPELL.
The target creature is affected the spell, not the golem. Hasten deals no damage, the target creature deals the damage. ortega89 | 2014-07-29 14:15:39 |
I think of it like this: "The Spectromancer himself attacks the opponent and all opponent's creatures, using the same attack value as the chosen friendly creature." Offhand I think this covers all of the current idiosyncracies of the card in a logical way. Actually, a hastened creature takes damage from TicToc's mines in the campaign.
HeadphonesGirl | 2014-07-30 00:28:14 |
The card game is simply a programmed math board.
Idiosyncrasies it has. Logic it has.
While I appreciate the rationale or rationa-lizing here, Ice Golem- and its card description- was not compromised directly under the card Hasten and was therefore affected by a SPELL.
That is logical.
Just as logical as saying that, if you finish off a master healer with chain lightning, and then a creature kills ice golem when it wouldn't have because of the difference in 3 life, ice golem was affected by the spell. FORESTRY | 2014-07-30 20:55:07 |
Sonic boom paralyzes golem, lets just leave it at that
Arslan | 2014-07-31 03:06:58 |
Ice golem's description says nothing about being <<affected>> by spells, it says that it receives no damage from spells. End.
In the case of hasten, it is as it is with hypnosis, the damage is creature based, not spell based; the creatures are dealing the damage, not the spells... The only issue with this is mindstealer, since it will not negate a hastened attack. One could argue that this is covered by mindstealer's use of <<its attack>> rather than <<an attack>>, but at that point things have gone too far...
Valentyne | 2014-07-31 16:46:09 |
Here's an interesting little bit about Hasten and Hypnosis: Treefolk Protector doesn't guard against either of them; Hasten and Hypnosis are unaffected by the Protector! They deal full damage! How about that, eh? FORESTRY | 2014-07-31 18:29:32 |
Here's an interesting little bit about Hasten and Hypnosis: Treefolk Protector doesn't guard against either of them; Hasten and Hypnosis are unaffected by the Protector! They deal full damage! How about that, eh? Hypnosis isnt boosted by Dragon either if i recall correctly.
Well, Hypnosis and Nature's Fury is almost same. Then Why dragon boosts only F6, if I agree with upper comment?
Modified by DKill on 2014-08-02 03:15:43 Arslan | 2014-08-02 03:33:40 |
Hypnosis isnt boosted by Dragon either if i recall correctly.
Correct. Well, Hypnosis and Nature's Fury is almost same.Then Why dragon boosts only F6, if I agree with upper comment? Because Nature's Fury <<deals an amount of damage...>> while with Hypnosis <<the two opponent's creatures... attack the opponent.>> Dragon boosts Nature's Fury because it is a damage dealing spell, Dragon dose not boost Hypnosis because the opponent's creatures are attacking. Hypnosis - like Hasten - is creature based, not spell based. The creatures are dealing damage, not the spells, the spells are only activating the damage not producing it.
Ok, Thx.
One more situation: When Beast Player have White Elephant out, and Opposing Goblin Player's Goblin Saboteur deals damage to White Elephant instead of Beast Player, The Beast Player still loses a card.
The Goblin 2 says, Whenever it deal damage to opponent.. But while dealing damage to White elephant indirectly, It still delete a card. How? Explain this.
Modified by DKill on 2014-08-03 06:51:27 HeadphonesGirl | 2014-08-03 13:31:44 |
FORESTRY | 2014-08-03 20:30:07 |
One more situation:When Beast Player have White Elephant out, and Opposing Goblin Player's Goblin Saboteur deals damage to White Elephant instead of Beast Player, The Beast Player still loses a card.
The Goblin 2 says, Whenever it deal damage to opponent.. But while dealing damage to White elephant indirectly, It still delete a card. How? Explain this. because proper wording would be a paragraoh long or more. |